25th August, 2002
Prime Minister's Office


FUTURE HUMAN DEVELOPMENT WILL BE LINKED TO PROTECTING THE EARTH FROM MINDLESS CONSUMPTION AND DESTRUCTION: PM


The Prime Minister, Shri Atal Bihari Vajpayee has expressed his firm belief that future human development will be linked to protecting the earth from mindless consumption and destruction. In an interview to Shri Bittoo Sehgal, the editor of Sanctuary, a monthly magazine on environmental issues, Shri Vajpayee said, "repairing the excesses of the 20th century will be integral to future development programmes" and cited as an example, the "devastation wrought by drought" that one reads in newspapers today. Following is the text of the interview with the Prime Minister:

Q: June 5th is celebrated as World Environment Day by the United Nations. In October, we observe National Wildlife Week. How would you respond if I said that the true temples of Lord Ram, the forests of India, are nevertheless being destroyed and that virtually no one from the Sangh Parivar is doing anything to protect this ancient and hallowed heritage?


ABV: (Smiling) How should I respond? I agree with you that our forests, indeed the earth itself, should be looked upon as a temple of God. But society seems unable or unwilling to treat our forests with respect. In fact, they are treated merely as commodities for sale. Almost every God and Goddess in our pantheon is associated with some animal. And, that animal is venerated almost as much as the deity itself. Our folklore and our arts and crafts reflect our love and reverence for the animal world. Sadly, the reality is otherwise.

Q: But should part of the responsibility for this state of affairs not be laid at the doorstep of post-Independence planners and politicians, who have, in fact, moved the country away from such ancient values?


ABV: Again there is some truth to what you say. People in the government and the administration cannot shirk their responsibility. But you cannot blame narrow segments of our population for this. We are collectively guilty of drifting away from old values. One of the most visible signs of such drift is the condition of the Ganga, the mother river and the fact that the tiger, the vahan of Durga is not safe from poisons, traps and guns.

Q: As Chairman of the Indian Board for Wildlife (IBWL), surely you have the power to change this state of affairs. But how will this happen if the Board meets only once in four or five years?


ABV: I sincerely regretted this delay when I addressed members of the IBWL on January 18, 2002. I would like the Board to meet more regularly.


Q: You did indeed inject fresh impetus into the wildlife movement, but will you support the hard decisions that need to be made? Or will short-term gains rule the day as they have done for the past five decades in India?


ABV: We will take hard decisions. Even the Supreme Court is encouraging us to do this. But as the Prime Minister of a nation of one billion people, I must also carry the public and different sections of society with me. We will achieve much more if we work together rather than at cross-purposes. I firmly believe that future human development will be linked to protecting the earth from mindless consumption and destruction. Repairing the excesses of the 20th century will be integral to future development programmes. An example is the devastation wrought by drought that we read about today in our papers. Soon the same areas may be in the grip of floods. It is not a secret that forest destruction has a major role to play in both these tragedies. So, we have to evolve a long-term, sustainable perspective on development.


Q: In which directions do our solutions lie?


ABV: Many of the solutions already exist. They do not need to be invented. Take the example of Palamau district in Bihar where pani panchayats exist to harvest water and manage watersheds. Here, traditional structures and modern scientific inputs are combined to determine how much water a particular crop needs. This drought-prone area is undergoing positive change. There are many more examples and many individuals, such as Rajinder Singh of the Tarun Bharat Sangh in Alwar (Rajasthan) and Anna Saheb Hazare in Ralegaon Siddhi (Maharashtra) and Sundarlal Bahuguna and his Chipko movement in Uttaranchal. I believe that in the name of development and modernity, we have dismantled strategies for sustainability and the traditional life-sustaining structures that had served our people for centuries. Perhaps, it is time we went back to the future.

Q: How does this plan fit in with India's global image and ambitions?


ABV: If you go back a decade, you will see that the 1992 Rio Conference acknowledged the need to harmonise economic development with resource use. Successive Indian governments have been trying to achieve this balance and while we have succeeded to some extent, clearly we have a very long way to go.


Q: Could you point to some of the successes that you refer to?

ABV: There are many but let us start with wind power generation. Even the most critical among us will agree that electricity production is crucial to national development. India has a built capacity of over 1,000 MWs of wind power! That places us fourth in the world, after Germany, the US and Denmark. But my advisers suggest that India has a wind power potential of 20,000 MW, which is why I feel that we have a long way to go. In the Tenth Five Year Plan, we have set ourselves the target of producing at least 10 per cent of power from renewable sources of energy.

Another success is the fact that the tiger is still alive in India, despite dire predictions from experts as recently as 1990 that our national animal will not survive to see the 21st century. I acknowledge that the tiger is still in grave danger. I do not wish to give the impression that I am trying to cover up or deny our national failures. But sometimes we must look at a half-full glass and not always a half-empty one, as environmentalists tend to do.

Here I would like to acknowledge the catalytic role played by the 'Kids for Tigers' who accompanied you and Sunil Alagh of Britannia to my residence earlier this year, when the children asked me and my Cabinet colleague Shri T.R. Baalu, Minister for Environment and Forests, to save the tiger. Since then, both of us have instructed officials to try and make up for lost time. I am committed to saving the tiger and our natural heritage.

Q: How can environmentalists play a more positive role in India's development?


ABV: I do not wish to be misunderstood. I believe that environmentalists are already playing a vital role in India's development. It was brought to my attention, for instance, that carefully constructed rainwater harvesting systems in Rajasthan, set up centuries ago, were being ravaged by miners who had been given licences to quarry. Soon the affected area was hit by a severe drought. Had the structures been in place, the impact of the drought would have been somewhat less. I hope that such a crucial watchdog role continues to be played by environmentalists. I also hope that some kind of internal self-regulation takes place to prevent lobbies from manipulating environmental groups for narrow ends, which as you know, also takes place.


Q: Your support for the National Wildlife Action Plan and the National Conservation Strategy 2002 was welcomed. But on the ground, support for tigers is still lacking. In the Kudremukh National Park, for instance, the government advocated redrawing the boundaries to facilitate iron ore mining.


ABV: I am aware of this particular conflict. Often wildlife and economic imperatives are going to clash. I hope, however, that such exceptions are the ones that will prove the rule that India seriously wishes to protect the tiger and its remaining wild forests. In the long run, the two objectives are not antithetical to one another. I personally brought this to the notice of all Chief Ministers when I reminded them about how the super-cyclone that devastated Orissa had spared all those lives and homes and properties that were sheltered behind the thick mangroves in the Bhitarkanika area. Protecting our environment does not mean putting a stop to development, or halting progress. We must evolve pragmatic solutions to problems posed by development projects.


Q: Prime Minister, we are waiting for the very first point on the National Conservation Strategy to be fulfilled, namely that "wildlife and forests shall be declared a priority sector at the national level for which funds should be earmarked." You also said that you would announce a Forest Commission.


ABV: (Smiling) You are putting questions to me like a Parliamentarian now! These things take time. Our meeting was held in mid-January this year. You know the kind of traumas the nation has been through. Our decision to declare wildlife and forests as a priority sector is pucca. And I agree that it should not be delayed too long. Ecological security determines internal security and you will shortly see us take some positive steps on both fronts.


Q: India has some of the best laws and policies in the world, but they are not implemented.


ABV: In this regard, the responsibility of the centre is unambiguous. We can strengthen, coordinate, monitor and, in some instances, even take corrective action. But for concurrent subjects like wildlife and forests, the operational functions lie with the states. Sometimes, there is a gap here. To plug this gap, we must win the support and involvement of various sections of society. People must internalise the fact that caring for wildlife cannot be limited to maintaining zoos or even designated sanctuaries. As a people, we must want to provide space for elephants and tigers. I have instructed that the Tenth Plan lays greater emphasis on winning peoples' cooperation, but all of us must assume responsibility to achieve such ends.


Q: If you had a magic wand, how would you use it to improve the environmental conditions of our people?


ABV: I would restore the age-old philosophy of co-existence, not merely between human beings, but between all living beings that need to live in harmony within the cosmos. I would restore the delicate balance of nature, the complementarity and co-existence of different life-forms; between plants and animals and between nature and humans. This is the only way that the balance of the five basic elements - the panchtatva - air, water, fire, earth and sky can be restored.


Q: What would you leave with us as your last thoughts on the subject of environmental protection?


ABV: History proves that good ideas only make a real impact when they become mass movements. This is what the environmental movement must become, not merely in India but throughout the world. This is in our self-interest. It is in the interests of the children for whom we must somehow leave behind a cleaner, better, safer country and a more beautiful world.

 

 
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